Judith Curry’s Risk Hypocrisy
By Collin Maessen on commentWhen you discuss the risks and consequences of global warming in the public sphere it will often turn to how certain it is. Which is quite strange as there’s a scientific consensus of 97%, this is the percentage of climate scientists who agree that humans are causing global warming.
This is confirmed by several peer-reviewed studies that have found the same overwhelming agreement on this. A 2009 survey of Earth scientists found that among climate scientists actively publishing climate research, 97% agreed that humans were significantly raising global temperature. A 2011 analysis of scientists’ public statements about climate change found that among those who had published peer-reviewed climate research, 97% accepted human-induced warming. The most recent one was a 2013 analysis that examined 11,944 abstracts and again found this 97% consensus.
The same kind of certainty we find when we then take a look at the risks.
If we continue on the current business as usual scenario we can expect our planet to warm between 2.5 and 7.5°C (most likely 5°C) by 2100. This is based on the IPCC RCP8.5 emission scenario where atmospheric CO2 levels will reach around 1,000 ppm by 2100. The important detail about this is that the last time CO2 was this high was during the Eocene Climatic Optimum (EECO), which was the warmest period in the last 50 million years.
During that period the planet was completely ice-free (sea-levels were +/-65m higher than today) and recent research puts global temperatures at +/-13°C warmer than today (Cabellero and Huber, 2013). Granted 5°C of that warming was due to changes in the positions of continents, vegetation, and the loss of continental ice sheets. But at +/-8°C and such sea levels eventually that much higher it’s a vastly different world.
It’s this kind of research that informs us that the consequences this century will be severe. Just looking at the recent IPCC report and it’s summary of what this will mean for crop yields shows that we have some serious challenges ahead if don’t do anything:
This is what makes the discussions about risk and certainty so strange. We know it’s happening and we know the consequences will be severe. Current research and reconstructions of past climates is what gives scientists and experts the confidence to say this. It also informs us that if we start acting we can prevent the worst of it. Yes, we’re committed to some warming, but if we act we can deal with that without too much trouble.
A good part of what we know about what can happen is because of the skill our current climate models have. They are incredible in what they already can do and are remarkably accurate when you compare them to past and present changes in climate. It’s also these models that tell us that there is hope. They show two very different futures when you compare action versus inaction. Gavin Schmidt gave a good talk about this and the choice we have:
And here’s where Judith Curry enters the picture. She’s known for her argumentation that there’s just too much uncertainty to act (ignoring the point that uncertainty is not your friend in these cases). When asked about what the projected increases in atmospheric CO2 levels would mean she said the following:
I don’t know how concerned I should be about it — on what time scale that might happen, whether that’s 100 or 200 years, what societies will be like, what other things are going on with the natural climate,” Curry says. “I just don’t know what the next hundred or 200 years will hold, and whether this will be regarded as an important issue. I just don’t know.
A really strange argument considering what we already know. But it gets even stranger when you see the following from her blog post ‘Atlanta’s 2″ catastrophic snowfall‘ (bolding hers, archived here). In it she talks about the consequences of not acting on uncertain weather predictions:
The rain/snow demarcation was a tough call, as it often is with temperatures right around freezing. It seems that the forecasts were good enough to have triggered a response prior to the onset of the storm.
Excerpts from the Weather Underground article:
To hear the public officials tell it, they were caught off-guard by the storm, so somewhere in that communications system there was a serious disconnect. The decision-makers either didn’t get the message, or more likely, didn’t have appropriate action plans, which the threatening forecast would have triggered.
A major city, along with the state in this case, in spite of direct communications with the National Weather Service, is unable to put the pieces together to understand the RISK to their citizens. Risk implies uncertainty, and understanding it is at the heart of decision-making. Let’s say the chance of the storm producing 3 inches of snow was 30% on Monday, which sounds about right. The Georgia decision-makers didn’t understand that a 30% risk of a cataclysm requires major affirmative action. You can’t wait for a guarantee.
How about a 20% chance of tens of thousand of people being stranded on the highway in freezing temperatures? Is that enough for a governor or mayor to make the decision to tell people to stay home? It’s not easy, but it’s not rocket science. Mostly, you have to understand the ingredients that have to come together to create a disaster in your city. (See formula above.)
Somewhere and somehow somebody has got to take the lead on closing the threat-understanding gap between forecasters, decision-makers, and the public. It’s not simple because of the division of responsibilities between various federal, state, and local agencies in a disaster. But, we’ve seen too many instances where good-enough weather forecasts have lead to bad decisions and poor public communications. The issue is partly science, which we should be able to solve with an organized effort by the National Weather Service, FEMA, and others.
She’s citing an article where a 30% risk of a “cataclysm” should have required “major affirmative action. You can’t wait for a guarantee.” She summarizes this at the end of her article with the following:
These two statements from the Weather Underground article sum up the situation IMO:
Somewhere and somehow somebody has got to take the lead on closing the threat-understanding gap between forecasters, decision-makers, and the public.
But this isn’t going to help unless you have an action plan that is developed prior to the event trigger:
. . .or more likely, didn’t have appropriate action plans, which the threatening forecast would have triggered.
The hypocrisy here is that she said that in the case of this snow storm that it “was a tough call [… but] It seems that the forecasts were good enough to have triggered a response prior to the onset of the storm.” This is with her quoting an article that said that there was a 30% chance that this storm would have been disruptive.
Yet when she talks about the risks of global warming she says that there’s just too much uncertainty. Despite the 97% of experts saying that it is happening and warning us that we should do something. I truly don’t understand this disconnect between these two positions. Although what bothers me most is that people still listen to her despite this risk hypocrisy (and others making the same claims), statements that aren’t based on what is in the scientific literature.
Although how to solve that? I have no idea.
I some times wonder if Ms. Curry is either grossly ignorant, or grossly political. In a very large n8umber of times she has stated mutually exclusive conclusions regarding human-caused climate change, based upon who her audience was— just like Dr. Muller has done.
I wouldn’t lump Muller into the same group as Curry (and I have no idea what motivates Curry, we can’t see what she thinks). Simply because Muller does change his position if he finds evidence showing he’s wrong.
So far with what I’ve seen from him is that he needs to do the work himself before he can accept it. He changed his stance on a lot of points after BEST, still made a lot of strange claims/points to the annoyance of scientists who already had done the work.
It makes it a weakness and a strength of him. The weakness being that it can lead to him saying things that aren’t correct, but also a strength as he does change his stance when he does the work and sees he was wrong. In the end he’s a bit of a mixed bag because of that.
The reason I suggested Dr. Muller acts like Dr. Curry some time is that Dr. Muller has in the past written and said mutually-contradictory conclusions about human-caused climate change (and other topics), often within a few days of each other. It has not been an issue of Dr. Muller changing his conclusion based upon new and better evidence, though he has done that of course.
At times what Dr. Muller has written that contradicted other things he has written were so contrary that two different people could have written them. [snip] Maybe I can give some examples since I have seen several on the ‘net. Some of Dr. Muller’s comments about MBH98 and the statistical “centering” problem in MBH98 fall into my “mutually contradictory” observations (Dr. Mann wrote an article on the contradictions).
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Could you point me to the examples of where he did this?
See Global Warming Bombshell
“A prime piece of evidence linking human activity to climate change turns out to be an artifact of poor mathematics”
And this stuff propagated into his 2008 book (or one of those).
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BEST has useful work, but it mostly just confirmed the studies that he trashed,a s as for as I can tell, Robert R and Zeke H. do a lot of the actual work.)
Collin, thanks for this blog -I look in on it regularly.
My rule of thumb is that when a person makes a contradictory or hypocritical argument, it signals that their surface argument is really in the service of some unstated, deeper position.
Having followed the political debates around anthropogenic climate change [ACC] for some time, I’ve noticed a gradual change in Judith Curry’s tone of commentary, revealing a consistent view about what we might call the ‘politics of knowledge’ – or in this more specific case, the ‘politics of uncertainty’ -which is really an argument about the politics of exclusion.
It seems to me that Curry doesn’t have a problem with certainty in science as such, but constantly reacts to STATEMENTS of certainty as though they are statements of TERRITORY (apologies for the caps -I’m an old school dummy and don’t know how to do italics). This stance by Curry and the denizens of her blog is no better illustrated than in the exchange to which Victor Venema refers here:
http://variable-variability.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/climatology-is-mature-field.html
There is a crude libertarian theme running through virtually all of the anti-ACC websites, including Judith Curry’s. It makes a moral claim that citizens have a democratic right to debate with established scientists as equals -using a similar notion of rights to the one we might apply to the right to vote. When scientists reply that a person should demonstrate suitable knowledge -through training, or peer review- the libertarian responds as though the scientist is denying their rights.
The libertarian ethos also appeals to a kind of ‘free market’ approach to knowledge, as though the best way to build knowledge is to remove all barriers, and truth will out. The trouble is though, that those laypeople motivated enough to demand an equal say in scientific deliberations are usually so deeply ideological, that they are very unlikely to generate good ideas -and constantly fail to grasp the science, out of their refusal to engage with the scientific community who they see as opponents. This is a problem for Curry’s idea of democratising science, because she would so rarely see quality contributions coming from the opponents of ACC, that over time she has become more and more fixated on attacking the certainty of ACC science.
I think she is holding out for those quality contributions. It reminds me of the way stock traders tend to enlarge their losses, because they hold out for their losing trades to turn around. The more Judith Curry has become alienated from her erstwhile peers and been embraced by people who can scarcely discern science from politics, the more her own distinctions between science and politics have blurred -hence the hypocrisy about risk, that you have highlighted.